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parrothead 06-16-2008 10:18 AM

Thoughts go out to the families
 
What a terrible accident. My thoughts and prayers go out to all the families involved. By reading the new stories this was something fun these women did every year, and what a tragedy that this time it ended as it did.

Dave R 06-16-2008 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beggaman Thief (Post 72940)
The more I study the photo, the more it looks like speed wasn’t a factor as evident by the trim tabs and the out-drives being in the down position. And, the way the front is damaged, it appears the boat never went up and over the object….. Wolfeboro Baja, I also echo your sentiments. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone that is touched by this tragedy.

If she was exceeding 6 MPH/no wake, speed was a factor. It's obvious the boat was closer to Diamond Island than 150'.

robmac 06-16-2008 10:31 AM

this is a very tragic story and reality for all involved.My prayers go out to all of the families involved and think making judgements of what and how should be done by professionals who have more info than has been released

SIKSUKR 06-16-2008 10:46 AM

Stop you incensitive idiots
 
This has hit real close to home for me.I know Erica and Steph real well.Stephanie was the sweetest girl.Please stop this crazy taking sides before any infomation has been released.What is wrong with members like FLL and Turtle Boy jumping on the speed limit bandwagon without one shred of info.The only thing we know is that the weather was not good.Shame on you people!

Bear Islander 06-16-2008 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR (Post 72948)
This has hit real close to home for me.I know Erica and Steph real well.Stephanie was the sweetest girl.Please stop this crazy taking sides before any infomation has been released.What is wrong with members like FLL and Turtle Boy jumping on the speed limit bandwagon without one shred of info.The only thing we know is that the weather was not good.Shame on you people!

I agree with you.

And speculating the speed was under the limit is no different from speculating it was over. Plus it will only lead to more speculation or counter theories.

Weirs guy 06-16-2008 11:27 AM

Good to see everyones getting along the same while I'm gone. One person has died and 2 have to live with that and their injures forever and we're all worried about how fast they were going.

My condolences to all those effected.

sa meredith 06-16-2008 11:34 AM

speculation...
 
Because she was such an experienced boater, and would know the lake like the back of her hand, I would think people should lean more toward speculation of mechanical failure, or something of this nature. But, really, I agree...NONE OF THAT MATTERS NOW.
Maybe later, but now the only thing people should be concerned with is passing along thoughts of condolence to the families involved.

2Blackdogs 06-16-2008 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrc (Post 72903)
The damage in the photos is amazing. I remember the photos from the smaller boat that hit Eagle Island. It seemed to go up on the rocks and eventually slide along the ground on the island. This boat seems to have absorbed all the energy by crushing hull. On the news, it looked almost like a rock wall just at the water line. I think were showing the point of impact. The picture is not really close enough but the hull is also surprisingly thin.

These boats have a good reputation, but that hull IS thin. Other large boats have been known to climb over Lake Superior's rock jettys at high speeds saving their drivers. Some fiberglass cloth hanging low from deckline level on this Formula don't appear to have been thoroughly infused with resin. Possibly an error in construction? Fiberglass cloth is now made in China.

I correct myself on the amount of light available.

Just checking today's weather, I see that there is a full moon. I saw other boats miles away after midnight so the visibility was very good, at least after midnight. This boat's direction was from the most open part of the lake, so distractions or just not paying attention seems likely. Comments of a temporary government suspension of GPS seem hardly likely at all.

SIKSUKR 06-16-2008 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Blackdogs (Post 72964)
I correct myself on the amount of light available.

Just checking today's weather, I see that there is a full moon. I saw other boats miles away after midnight so the visibility was very good, at least after midnight. This boat's direction was from the most open part of the lake, so distractions or just not paying attention seems likely. Comments of a temporary government suspension of GPS seem hardly likely at all.

Are you sure you have the correct night?It rained pretty hard Saturday night and was foggy.Sunday was overcast and drizzly till I left at noon.

SIKSUKR 06-16-2008 01:26 PM

Update
 
Latest update from a friend who talked to someone close was that Erica is in critical condition but was expected to survive.I hope that is the case.

twoplustwo 06-16-2008 02:16 PM

what a tragedy
 
siksukr, I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend and my condolences go out to her family, as well. I'll keep Erica and Nicole in my thoughts and prayers as they recover from the physical and emotional toll of this tragedy.

Jeti 06-16-2008 02:19 PM

Sad situation....2.30 am.. would Radar have assisted, it looked high end for a boat.

Winnipesaukee 06-16-2008 02:35 PM

The fiberglass is thick enough. Even from the photo it is impossible to tell if the glass was properly laid or not. Regardless, no glass hull is meant to strike a rock wall head on at a high rate of speed. The whole thing weighs at least 7 tons...

The obstruction was too high for the boat to "soar" over. Lower obstructions, such as those under water or partially above (the Witches is a good example) would allow a boat to act as a ramp and fly over. It's like driving a car over a curb vs. into a wall.

kthy66 06-16-2008 02:41 PM

so sad
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeti (Post 72983)
Sad situation....2.30 am.. would Radar have assisted, it looked high end for a boat.

Yes radar would have helped, unfortunately this boat was not equipped with it according to lakeport site..

http://www.lakeportlanding.com/mored...g&icc_ind=BOAT

kthy66 06-16-2008 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnipesaukee (Post 72987)
The fiberglass is thick enough. Even from the photo it is impossible to tell if the glass was properly laid or not. Regardless, no glass hull is meant to strike a rock wall head on at a high rate of speed. The whole thing weighs at least 7 tons...

Exactly,,, if this boat were at WOT when it hit it would have disintegrated. I dont believe there is any design flaw here.. When you take into consideration the forces at work here it is not surprising the amount of damage to the hull.. No fiberglass vessel could withstand the impact of hitting a rock wall at any speed over headway.

I guess all we can hope is that the families can heal and maybe some folks will learn something from this tragedy.

Lakepilot 06-16-2008 02:50 PM

My heart goes out to all affected by this accident. I pray for a speedy recovery for those injured.

codeman671 06-16-2008 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Blackdogs (Post 72964)
These boats have a good reputation, but that hull IS thin. Other large boats have been known to climb over Lake Superior's rock jettys at high speeds saving their drivers. Some fiberglass cloth hanging low from deckline level on this Formula don't appear to have been thoroughly infused with resin. Possibly an error in construction? Fiberglass cloth is now made in China.

I correct myself on the amount of light available.

Just checking today's weather, I see that there is a full moon. I saw other boats miles away after midnight so the visibility was very good, at least after midnight. This boat's direction was from the most open part of the lake, so distractions or just not paying attention seems likely. Comments of a temporary government suspension of GPS seem hardly likely at all.

HUH? :eek:

Formula does not make a thin-hulled boat at all, in fact they historically have a rather heavy build and have a great reputation. Unless you are a nationally accredited marine surveyor and are overqualified to the point of being able to make such judgements from a website picture about the resin, hull composition, etc you are spewing garbage.

The night was cold, dark and raining at that time. At 1am when we got out of the hot tub and went to bed it was not raining yet but it was extremely dark.

For the record, that boat is capable of 53mph+/-, not exactly a GFBL. It has a dry weight of 15,100lbs and the intertia that it would have at even 25mph could be extremely destructive.

jrc 06-16-2008 03:41 PM

Please let me be clear, I was not saying that the hull was undersized or poorly constructed or defective. It just saying that it looked thinner in the picture than I would have guessed. Formula makes some very expensive boats and I'm sure they have well engineered layups. The stress on that hull at impact to immovable granite has to be incredible.

webmaster 06-16-2008 03:55 PM

Boston.com article gives some more information.

Water Camper 06-16-2008 05:11 PM

Give it a break Less
 
Is this the same Erica Blizzard that is the President of the NHRBA (NH Recreational Boaters Assoc.)? This is the lobbying group of high speed/high horsepower ocean type racing boats owners that vehemently opposed day & night time speed limits on Lake Winnipesaukee! If so, the media needs to follow up on this aspect of the story, as it sheds a whole new light on the speed limit debate!
- F L Less, Meredith, NH"


Anyone who knows Erica Blizzard knows that she is a seasoned boater and highly experienced. And she's smart too. How does her being a part of a lobbying group have anything to do with this unfortunate accident? You, obviously have formed your own opinion. We wish Erica, Paul and their family our heart felt love and support. Every one on this website should do the same.

Sue

PennyPenny 06-16-2008 05:12 PM

From What I Heard 1st Hand From the Nephew
 
Speed was an issue. His aunt is the deceased. The boat hit some rocks and went airborne?? and landed on or near shore. I only know that the families are grieving. The nephew is my future son in law and works at the Whining Butcher in Gilford.( not that that matters) I am not a boater but I have seen what speed can do whether it be a rock or tree or whatever. People kill people. It just brings me to tears. RIP

Waterbaby 06-16-2008 05:27 PM

My condolences and prayers to Stephanie's family, and thoughts and prayers to the families of Erica and Nicole. What a terrible tragedy, and I sincerely hope Erica pulls through so this tragedy does not expand.

As far as opinions stated on this thread thus far, assumptions made, and trying to turn it into a platform for or against speed limits, I myself would not even begin to presume to know causes of the accident, conditions or speed or any other related factors. I am not Stephanie or Erica or Nicole, I wasn't onboard the boat, I wasn't an eyewitness, and I find some of the comments made thus far absolutely appalling. For heavens' sake, the boat had barely - if at all - made it to Belmont before the speculating began.

Out of respect for the families and friends involved, I implore you, people: keep it to yourself or at least off of a public board, let the experts do their job and wait for their report, and wish the families condolences and prayers.

Just imagine how Mr. Beaudoin feels -- his Father's Day began with finding out his youngest child is dead. And how about Mr. Blizzard? His daughter is in critical condition from a boating accident..... and Mr. Shinepolus' daughter is injured as well................ have a little empathy, please.

I wish you all well, and hope that nothing ever happens to put your families or friends under the spotlight of speculation. It's not a pleasant place to be.

Water Camper 06-16-2008 05:36 PM

Well Said Waterbaby
 
Well said! I can only hope that all who read your tread will truly understand what a difficult time this is for all the families involved and will leave them alone. WE weren't in the boat, WE don't know what happened.
Sue

abaynewbie 06-16-2008 05:37 PM

This is a very tragic ACCIDENT. This is not the time to be judmental or speculative, it is the time to offer support, condolences and prayers to all those affected. Please show some sense of decency. The anguish these families are dealing with does not need to be intensified by the stupidness I've read here.

My thoughts and prayers to all those affected.

Winni_Bay 06-16-2008 05:48 PM

Erica Blizzard is a vey high respected business woman. I wish her well and my heart goes out to the victims/families involved in this horrible tragedy. Lets all let it be and respect the victims/families involved in this horrible nightmare.

lacey 06-16-2008 06:06 PM

Terrible tragedy
 
Thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved and their families.

fatlazyless 06-16-2008 07:21 PM

...someone stole my name!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ropetow (Post 72877)
Check out the post of Less on the Union Leader website.

"Is this the same Erica Blizzard that is the President of the NHRBA (NH Recreational Boaters Assoc.)? This is the lobbying group of high speed/high horsepower ocean type racing boats owners that vehemently opposed day & night time speed limits on Lake Winnipesaukee! If so, the media needs to follow up on this aspect of the story, as it sheds a whole new light on the speed limit debate!
- F L Less, Meredith, NH"


Talk about crass....Give the dead and injured their time and respect instead of briging up the speed limit debate! Remember....there but for the grade of God go I....

........

Hello Everyone - just saw this thread, and no it was not me who wrote and posted it in the Union Leader. Someone, acting in bad faith, chose to write up a very rude and nasty letter and post it in the UL, under the name of F L Less.

It's not me....didn't write it and most certainly do not appreciate this deceit.

To whoever crafted this act of deception and miss-statement, you must be very proud of yourself for spreading bad feelings at the hurtfull expense of others.

No doubt, this can be chaulked up as collateral damage from the long running topic in the 'other' boating thread.
..........


Sympathies extended, at what must be a difficult time, to all close to the recent boat accident.

fll

SAMIAM 06-16-2008 07:43 PM

One time,several years ago,I was returning from a party on Bear Island late at night.Not a lot of drinking going on but people on board were having a good time after dinner and visiting friends. I grew up on the lake,but missed a marker and had to frantically reverse because I almost ran right into the Kona boathouse in the fog.
Erica is a skilled and experienced boater and knows the lake well.ANYONE can make a mistake or miss a marker.We need to show some support and understanding .She is a respected businesswoman who is loved by everyone who knows her and using this tragedy to express a point of view about speed limits or performance boats is twisted.I wish this site had a "ignore" feature like the chat rooms.

robmac 06-16-2008 07:50 PM

I agree,untill the facts are out why is it so many want to further there own objectives? why not let the families grieve and find out what MP and the experts find out????????? Or is it in some groups interest to sully someones name and further an objective

EricP 06-16-2008 08:18 PM

I was out on the lake at about 11PM Saturday night and it was lightly raining and very heavy cloud cover. Basically it was dark, very dark. I can say that it was the kind of night that would challenge even the most experenced boaters' knowledge of the lake.

I too think some folks here should be ashamed of their comments, especially given we have no facts. I sincerely hope we get to hear from Erica, as 1 life lost is 1 too many.

My thoughts and prayers go out to all those affected by this tragic accident.

Chris Craft 06-16-2008 08:18 PM

As some one that was involved in an accident similiar to this (snow mobile)were I lost one of my very closest friends, my heart goes out to the family of all those involved. This is going to hurt for some time but you will find comfort from your friends, religion, and family and you WILL get through it. Eventually you will move on with your life and things will start to normallize. You will never forget your friend and your memories will again become fond and put a smile back on your face. Forget what all the negative people have to say, best to probably just stay away from all the threads. People all have an agenda and can be down right cruel. God Bless

SteveA 06-16-2008 08:57 PM

Well said
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Craft (Post 73037)
As some one that was involved in an accident similiar to this (snow mobile)were I lost one of my very closest friends, my heart goes out to the family of all those involved. This is going to hurt for some time but you will find comfort from your friends, religion, and family and you WILL get through it. Eventually you will move on with your life and things will start to normallize. You will never forget your friend and your memories will again become fond and put a smile back on your face. Forget what all the negative people have to say, best to probably just stay away from all the threads. People all have an agenda and can be down right cruel. God Bless

Nice job CC Everyone on all sides of the "how fast can I drive my boat" issue need to leave this story alone. Show some class and pray for these three families.

Bear Islander 06-16-2008 09:48 PM

I'm afraid the press is not going to leave this story alone. I have just seen the report in the national Fox news.

Our "News" isn't news anymore, its sensationalism. Accuracy and relevance are not important.

webmaster 06-16-2008 10:55 PM

NECN Report
 
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VitaBene 06-17-2008 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave R (Post 72942)
If she was exceeding 6 MPH/no wake, speed was a factor. It's obvious the boat was closer to Diamond Island than 150'.

Dave nailed it here, 6 MPH was the limit.

It is a shame that this tragedy occurred- my prayers are with all of the familes involved.

Old Hubbard Rd 06-17-2008 06:47 AM

Sad!!
 
http://www.legacy.com/Citizen/DeathN...onId=111728081

SIKSUKR 06-17-2008 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 73026)
........

Hello Everyone - just saw this thread, and no it was not me who wrote and posted it in the Union Leader. Someone, acting in bad faith, chose to write up a very rude and nasty letter and post it in the UL, under the name of F L Less.

It's not me....didn't write it and most certainly do not appreciate this deceit.

To whoever crafted this act of deception and miss-statement, you must be very proud of yourself for spreading bad feelings at the hurtfull expense of others.

No doubt, this can be chaulked up as collateral damage from the long running topic in the 'other' boating thread.
..........


Sympathies extended, at what must be a difficult time, to all close to the recent boat accident.

fll

This may or may not be the case but it is exactly the type of post we have seen from FLL on a non-stop basis.Sorry,not buying this post at all.If the shoe fits.

VitaBene 06-17-2008 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR (Post 73053)
This may or may not be the case but it is exactly the type of post we have seen from FLL on a non-stop basis.Sorry,not buying this post at all.If the shoe fits.

Based on his post and how the name was written in the paper- I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

fatlazyless 06-17-2008 07:30 AM

I obviously have no idea who wrote the letter from F L Less. One can imagine what their intent was.

What I do know, is that I absolutely - positively - absolutely did not write it!

As I said in my post from last night, someone acting in very bad faith crafted this nasty letter to the Union Leader and signed it F L Less.

It was not me!

With such a grave and serious accident that involves big injuries and death, it would be extremely rude and nasty. People have feelings! It is just totally out of good taste to be so disrespectfull.

On the human scale of importance, a grave boating accident emotionally outweighs a speed limit law by a million times......no comparision....

Again, please accept my condolences to all close to this boating accident!

I'm a boater too. Wave to me, and I'll wave back to you.

You know, I do not expect any apologies from anyone who wrote any of the nasty ghoulish replies about me. There was a terrible accident. People get very upset, and they see that nasty letter, and they assume it is real so they react in turn.

Let's just forget about that and move on.

Here's hoping the accident survivors will make a speedy & full recovery.

Orion 06-17-2008 07:46 AM

Is it just me?
 
....but wouldn't a $350,000 boat be equipped with at least a $350 GPS?


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