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robmac 06-27-2019 12:07 PM

That driver will never have to pay the FULL price for his actions which is criminal in of itself. The trailer was far too big and heavy for a 2500 Dodge with single rear wheels! How ever I haven't heard any LEO or dept mentioning a bill of laiding so he was hauling something which brings the deep pockets into the criminal act as well. Either way we can't bring them back and my heart goes out to the families and loved ones of those we lost.

rick35 06-27-2019 03:00 PM

Should have been sent back
 
Shouldn’t someone who’s here on a green card have been kicked out after his first or second infraction? I don’t know how someone like that gets a green card but that’s a privilege and should be revoked if the person breaks the law.

robmac 06-27-2019 03:10 PM

As of this afternoon he has an ICE detainer

Outdoorsman 06-27-2019 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebix (Post 314120)
From story on NECN
https://www.necn.com/news/new-englan...N-5obO4EZ-iu34

'In all, Zhukovskyy served at least six license suspensions in Massachusetts after obtaining his license in April 2013, though some of the sanctions overlapped, according to records provided by the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles. He also completed two safe driving education courses through the National Safety Council.'

All I can say is WOW.... Six license suspensions at any age is outrageous, let alone for someone so young.

I have always had an issue with sentences being served "concurrently" and that is something that I was talking about the other day. If convicted, this guy needs to serve 7 CONSECUTIVE sentences. Anything short of that is equally outrageous.

As an aside, I worked in Gorham this week and on Wednesday when I drove by the scene there was a company putting up seven 6' +/- crosses at the crash site. Very nice gesture. Today when I drove by, the state has put up 2 of the roadside smart signs warning traffic to SLOW DOWN, "possible road side activity ahead" Kudo's to the state for being proactive and allowing loved-ones to visit the scene.

fatlazyless 06-28-2019 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robmac (Post 314190)
As of this afternoon he has an ICE detainer

Have to wonder if he would jump at the opportunity to get deported back to Ukraine from the Coos County House of Correction, Stewartstown, NH, which is very close to the NH-Canada border as opposed to being a prisoner at the NH State Prison in Berlin for the next 15-40 years?

Does he deserve a death, execution, penalty?

Could be the truck was too small, the trailer was too big, the Massachusetts DMV process was too slow, and both the driver and transport company management was no good. Could be something like an uneven asphalt, winter frost heaved road surface is partially to blame, too?

Probably, he would rather be back in the Ukraine ....... in a Ukraine prison?

MAXUM 06-28-2019 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 314227)
Have to wonder if he would jump at the opportunity to get deported back to Ukraine from the Coos County House of Correction, Stewartstown, NH, which is very close to the NH-Canada border as opposed to being a prisoner at the NH State Prison in Berlin for the next 30 years?

Does he deserve a death, execution, penalty?

Probably, he would rather be back in the Ukraine?

Neither! I'd give this guy a tax payer paid one way plane ticket to the North Korean prison system. They seem to know how to deal with scum like this, and that to me would be a fitting end to this guy. A comfortable life behind bars or death here is not fitting enough for my taste. Send him back to Ukraine will do nothing, he'll be back crossing the southern border again in no time since we have no appetite to stop the flow of people into this country.

rick35 06-28-2019 07:57 AM

I think we’re stuck with him until he finishes serving whatever time he gets. Then we should send him back and take our chances that he doesn’t sneak back in.

WinnisquamZ 06-28-2019 10:27 AM

Drop him off at the local VFW!


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ApS 06-28-2019 05:25 PM

Can It Get Worse?
 
Three more arrests found by Boston Globe:
Ohio and Iowa.

:confused:

Top-Water 07-03-2019 10:28 PM

There has been a number of follow up stories since this tragedy the past few days. Some what notable was/is the reports from Massachusetts that no one was monitoring the incoming mail in this section of the registry, probably another one of those 100,000 dollar a year jobs that you really don't have to show up for.

Tonight's news mentions the first lawsuits have also been filed. Naming the Trucking company and the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles.


WMUR: Memorial ride for Randolph crash victims.

https://www.wmur.com/article/thousan...ctims/28265583

robmac 07-05-2019 12:52 PM

I know one of the survivors has formally filed against the trucking company,however they are still looking to see if they can sue the state(RMV) which I think is one of MA laws not allowing it I think there is a tort law statute that limits litigation to 100,000

WinnisquamZ 07-05-2019 07:37 PM

http://wcvb.com/article/gov-baker-up...302780?src=app


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Top-Water 07-05-2019 10:10 PM

Expect delays Saturday during/at the start of the memorial ride. WMUR reporting Thousands expected to participate in ride to honor victims of Randolph crash.

Travel will be most affected in the Lakes Region from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. and in the Gorham area from 3 to 5 p.m. There could be some ramp and lane closures on Interstate 93, officials said.

Full story: https://www.wmur.com/article/officia...len-7/28302254

fatlazyless 07-06-2019 05:07 AM

... seven miles uneven Rt 93-nprth
 
Turning right from Route-104 onto Rt-93 north ...... the road has been getting re-paved for the last month or so, on both north and south sides?

As of Thursday night, July 4: Rt 93-north from exit-23 to exit-24, a distance of about six miles, had uneven lanes with about a 3 or 4 inch higher pavement on the left lane due to road re-paving.

The right hand lane was scarfed in preparation for new asphalt, and the left hand lane had brand new asphalt about 3 or 4 inches higher up which might be a hazard for motorcycles?

Thaat was a day and a half ago?

WinnisquamZ 07-06-2019 11:54 AM

Over 2500 bikes! With thousands more waving them on. NH and the Lakes Region showing the country who we are!


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TiltonBB 07-06-2019 06:58 PM

2 Attachment(s)
It was a well done event and a nice tribute. The Broken Spoke did a great job hosting the start of the ride.

KTO 07-07-2019 09:06 AM

Drone video as they came through Meredith, turning off Pease Rd. Onto 104

<iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/WbFpY9ONsMQ" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

https://youtu.be/WbFpY9ONsMQ

WinnisquamZ 07-07-2019 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTO (Post 314707)
Drone video as they came through Meredith, turning off Pease Rd. Onto 104

https://youtu.be/WbFpY9ONsMQ

Thank you


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fatlazyless 08-01-2019 09:31 AM

"It appears that until recently there was an institutional belief that this was not a serious safety problem."

July 30, 2019: https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/07/30...nse-violations

As you probably know, Massachusetts now has a population of 7-million, and New Hampshire has a population of 1.3-million, and it sure seems like New Hampshire has a lot better grip on its' driver safety enforcement. Just having a smaller sized population is a big plus, here.

No information yet as to whether the driver was texting or drunk or on drugs or both, at the time?

No information yet whether the Ram-2500 was a 6-wheel dually or a four wheel truck.

LIforrelaxin 08-01-2019 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 316567)
"It appears that until recently there was an institutional belief that this was not a serious safety problem."

July 30, 2019: https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/07/30...nse-violations

As you probably know, Massachusetts now has a population of 7-million, and New Hampshire has a population of 1.3-million, and it sure seems like New Hampshire has a lot better grip on its' driver safety enforcement. Just having a smaller sized population is a big plus, here.

No information yet as to whether the driver was texting or drunk or on drugs or both, at the time?

No information yet whether the Ram-2500 was a 6-wheel dually or a four wheel truck.

Bottomline, is that this guy shouldn't have been driving commercially.....

The RMV in Massachusetts, has always been a mess. And hopefully this will bring about some much needed change. Back in the 80s they use to send "Registry Cops", which where fully dressed and outfitted State Police officers, out with Kids for their driving tests. Those same cops used to believe they where untouchable, and had been known to put there hands on their fire arms, and threaten people when they disagreed with Registry employees. (ask me how I know).....Fortunately that calamity has been straightend out, and registry cops are no longer.

But now the adminstration, needs to clean up its act. Hopefully this will lead to some more resignations, or firings of top Mass. RMV officials, and the Governor will put people in place, with instructions to start cleaning the mess up.

There is no reason, that this should have happened. The RMV has done nothing but reduce their work load, you rarely need to go to the registry if you are a AAA member... To many people making to much money, and not doing their jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yes, I am a Massachusetts resident, who is deeply sadden by the events that led to this accident

joey2665 08-01-2019 10:32 AM

Also keep in mind that this truck was registered in MA traveling across state lines to the driver and vehicle are subject to USDOT regulations in addition to state regulations.

Top-Water 08-01-2019 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin (Post 316571)
Bottomline, is that this guy shouldn't have been driving commercially.....

The RMV in Massachusetts, has always been a mess. And hopefully this will bring about some much needed change. Back in the 80s they use to send "Registry Cops", which where fully dressed and outfitted State Police officers, out with Kids for their driving tests. Those same cops used to believe they where untouchable, and had been known to put there hands on their fire arms, and threaten people when they disagreed with Registry employees. (ask me how I know).....Fortunately that calamity has been straightend out, and registry cops are no longer.

But now the adminstration, needs to clean up its act. Hopefully this will lead to some more resignations, or firings of top Mass. RMV officials, and the Governor will put people in place, with instructions to start cleaning the mess up.

There is no reason, that this should have happened. The RMV has done nothing but reduce their work load, you rarely need to go to the registry if you are a AAA member... To many people making to much money, and not doing their jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yes, I am a Massachusetts resident, who is deeply sadden by the events that led to this accident

No disagreement here. For years this has been a place for the (political/hacks/patronages) a place to hang out while collecting a pay check. I would not be surprised if most of them were no shows at work.


I'm really wondering if they will really dig into what really happened here.

A few days ago when they started reporting on this once again. I guess from what I had seen, most of the people that were supposed to testify did not show up.

LIforrelaxin 08-01-2019 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 316572)
Also keep in mind that this truck was registered in MA traveling across state lines to the driver and vehicle are subject to USDOT regulations in addition to state regulations.

Ultimately, I believe it is a USDOT regulation that states that once a driver is convicted in one state of an infraction that removes their eligibility to drive, that from a commercial perspective, that infraction removes their right to drive in all states.

The problem here, is that the driver had a Massachusetts Drivers license, which the State of Connecticut can't take from him, or revoke his ability to drive with out proper action from the Massachusetts RMV. Because the Massachusetts RMV didn't properly respond, there was no way for a company to recognize that this guy had a DUI conviction.

Now to put further spin on this, how many drivers have speeding tickets, or failure to stop, tickets in other states, that haven't been updated in the RMV records, causing them to have higher insurance premiums?

This isn't just about this one case, its about many cases and the process that is supposed to exist.....

Massachusetts RMV has screwed the pooch here, If the state doesn't continue its investigation, and then act upon its findings, then the negligence isn't just an RMV issue it is a State issue... The state doesn't want that, because then the USDOT become involved...

WHile the accident is horrible... the results from the accident should bring about some change here in Mass.

TiltonBB 08-01-2019 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin (Post 316571)
Back in the 80s they use to send "Registry Cops", which where fully dressed and outfitted State Police officers, out with Kids for their driving tests. Those same cops used to believe they where untouchable, and had been known to put there hands on their fire arms, and threaten people when they disagreed with Registry employees. (ask me how I know).....Fortunately that calamity has been straightend out, and registry cops are no longer.

That was the action of Michael Dukakis. (D-MA) The State Police did not support his election and in fact spoke out against it. As retribution for the lack of support Dukakis merged the Capitol Police and the Registry Police into the State Police. A move that the State Police union was very much against.

Bigstan 08-01-2019 12:38 PM

No surprise...
 
Drugs were involved, of course.....

https://www.boston.com/news/local-ne...sh-report-says

ApS 02-27-2021 08:48 AM

Records Fraudulent, RMV Incompetent...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by robmac (Post 314190)
As of this afternoon he has an ICE detainer

There is a question as to his legal status as a U.S. citizen. The Feds had granted him a "green card".

Meanwhile, his Springfield, MA, trucking company (owned by a couple from the same foreign region) has been Federally charged of "cooking the books" to keep their drivers on the road longer:

https://dailyvoice.com/massachusetts...effort/804047/

Sue Doe-Nym 02-27-2021 12:52 PM

Old post, but apropos today!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MAXUM (Post 314229)
Neither! I'd give this guy a tax payer paid one way plane ticket to the North Korean prison system. They seem to know how to deal with scum like this, and that to me would be a fitting end to this guy. A comfortable life behind bars or death here is not fitting enough for my taste. Send him back to Ukraine will do nothing, he'll be back crossing the southern border again in no time since we have no appetite to stop the flow of people into this country.

I couldn’t agree more....get him outta here...North Korea sounds just plain perfect. For good measure, include the truck company owners who were complicit. No mercy!

fatlazyless 08-09-2022 05:53 PM

What a surprise verdict of NOT GUILTY on ALL CHARGES against truck driver, Volodymyr Zhukovskyy, with the blame for the collision directed at the lead motorcyclist who was drunk and crossed the center yellow line ....... OUCH! ..... what a shocker! ...... totally holy moly ...... can you believe it! ..... :eek: .... like o.m.g! .... and jump'n Jehoshaphat!

Raw video: Volodymyr Zhukovskyy found not guilty at trial .... http://www.wmur.com/article/raw-vide...uilty/40850325 ... and the jury only deliberated their decisions for 2.5-hours so these were speedy decisions for the Coos County jury.

There were 15-charges against him; seven counts of manslaughter, seven counts of negligent homicide, and one count of reckless conduct.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/jury-d...trial-47539765 ..... read all about it!

ApS 08-09-2022 06:33 PM

Deport Him to Defend Ukraine from Invasion...
 
It just occurred to me that if a prospective jurist had read the following, he/she would be rejected from the jury:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApS (Post 314117)
Driving drunk—underage: Nothing happens.

In possession of a crack pipe: Nothing happens.

2013 Larceny of Home Depot Warehouse: Nothing happens.

Wallet left at gas station, contained heroin and cocaine packets: Nothing happens.

Flipped 18-wheeler in Texas, another crack pipe: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Texas one month ago, gave fake name: Nothing happens.

May 11, crashed into brush, fails sobriety test in parking lot, arrested:

Connecticut RMV notifies Massachusetts RMVReceives acknowledgment...Nothing happens.

June 13th, Lane infraction: Nothing happens.

➼ Something Happens! :eek:

60 hours after NH wreck: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Massachusetts, heroin and cocaine found in home... :rolleye1:

Knowing his criminal history "prejudices" the jury.

fatlazyless 08-10-2022 04:40 AM

So, after three years locked up in jail, the killer collision happened June 21, 2019 in northern New Hampshire, the defendant is tried in court and quickly found 'not guilty' by a Coos County jury?

https:///www.wbur.org/news/2022/08/0...er-biker-crash ...... August 9, 2022

So ApS ...... you started this thread on June 22, 2019 ....... so, how the heck can this happen here in New Hampshire on August 9, 2022 ? ... :patriot:

https:www.nhpd.org/offices ...... Attorney Jay Duguay, New Hampshire Public Defenders, Littleton NH

You know what ..... WBUR is totally and completely responsible for this ridiculous verdict and must be de-funded! ..... :eek2:

'Long 3 years: Trial to start in deaths of 7 motorcyclists' ..... https://www.newstribune.com/news/202...n-deaths-of-7/ ...... July 23, 2022

MeredithMan 08-10-2022 07:13 AM

Did not see that coming....
 
...I was totally shocked when I saw that headline yesterday. For the guy to be acquitted on ALL charges, in a relatively quick deliberation, the prosecution must have botched the case or the defense was stellar.

thinkxingu 08-10-2022 07:24 AM

Sounds like a lot of conflicting info and that prosecutors hung their hats on the horrible outcome rather than what actually happened.

“From the beginning of this investigation, the state had made up their mind about what had happened, evidence be damned,” said Duguay, who also highlighted inconsistencies between witness accounts or when witnesses contradicted themselves.

In particular, Duguay suggested that the bikers “shaded” their accounts to protect Mazza and the club. Prosecutor Scott Chase acknowledged some inconsistencies, but asked jurors to remember the circumstances."

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Slickcraft 08-10-2022 08:31 AM

I’m sure that this verdict was a traumatic outcome for family and friends. I also believe that the members of the jury did their best to adhere to the judge’s instructions.

If the standard of proof was preponderance of the evidence, as in a civil trial, then the verdict probably would have been guilty. And that is how most of us would look at it. Guilty! The issue is that no one knows for absolute certainty the real cause. While the truck driver was most probably at fault, the defense argued just enough uncertainty such that the beyond a reasonable doubt proof standard was not met in the eyes of the jury.

Alan

Woodsy 08-10-2022 08:53 AM

Unfortunately...

The State did not meet the burden of proof and the intoxication charges were dismissed... When that happened, the jury can no longer consider the intoxication level of the truck driver, however the intoxication level of the lead biker was admissible.

Woodsy

WinnisquamZ 08-10-2022 09:04 AM

Must add the state did three re-enactments of the accident and in each case the truck never crossed over the yellow line. We all feel terrible about this accident, however the state was unable to prove the truck was solely at fault.


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fatlazyless 08-10-2022 09:08 AM

Who you gonna believe? In Russia ..... https://understandrussia.com/dash-cams/ ..... is very common for cars to have a car camera on the front of the inside rear view mirrow.

Here in New Hampshire ..... the accused defendant got locked away in jail for thirty seven months, over three years, before going to trial ...... and then found not guilty! Does jail time come with available wifi internet service and a lap top? What the heck does one do while locked up in jail for 37-months?

For $24.99 at Walmart you can get a FHD 1080P Dash Cam ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2NKPdygn7g .... anyone have a really cheap dash cam recommendation for $25?

Driving a motorcycle ..... https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety .... is supposedly 28-times more likely to have a fatal crash than a car so all things considered is safer in a Subaru than on a Harley Davidson ...... a lot safer!

garysanfran 08-10-2022 09:23 AM

I remember when this accident happened and the media coverage of it. I drove north and visited the depressing scene.

I remember thinking the truck driver was guilty as hell and would never be free again during his life.

The media reported things the jury was not allowed to hear because those historical items in this guy's life could not be admitted in the court-of-law. It could only be disclosed, by the media, in the court-of-public-opinion.

Now, reading the details of the case, the outcome makes legal sense...But WOW!!!

FlyingScot 08-10-2022 11:50 AM

Terribly sad, and I have not doubt the truck driver belongs in jail in the general sense. But a 2.5 hour verdict is blazingly fast, and a sober (at the time time) truck driver, and a drunk biker, make it very understandable. The case is an important reminder that we should not jump to legal conclusions before all the facts are in

8gv 08-10-2022 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeredithMan (Post 374774)
...I was totally shocked when I saw that headline yesterday. For the guy to be acquitted on ALL charges, in a relatively quick deliberation, the prosecution must have botched the case or the defense was stellar.

Or...

That facts of the case tell a different story than the public was led to believe.

I get it.

Veterans killed, multiple offender druggy FROM ELSEWHERE... what's not to hate?

What if it was our truck that mixed it up with a lead bike that strayed across the line?

We could feel horrible for being in the wrong place at the wrong time but it wouldn't be our fault.

The truck driver is a criminal.

Let's deport him or send him to jail for any convictions he can receive.

Mr. V 08-10-2022 11:58 AM

So this innocent man was wrongly incarcerated for three years.

Were I him I'd now sue the socks off the authorities for this.


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